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		<title>Do Brakes by any other name, still stop so short (part 2)?</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[With the rear of the brake system, holding pressure, it was time to attack the front.  The rear ended up taking so long to get together, that by this time, I had received the front-hoses in the mail, and made sure that the bleeders on the front calipers were functional, so this should be smooth sailing!]]></description>
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<p>With the rear of the brake system, holding pressure, it was time to attack the front.  The rear ended up taking so long to get together, that by this time, I had received the front-hoses in the mail, and made sure that the bleeders on the front calipers were functional, so this should be smooth sailing!<br><br>Just to note, replacing the front hoses was not just a precaution, these things were dangerous.<br></p>



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<p><br><br>Starting on the passenger side, the old hose came loose from the hardline without too much trouble and unscrewed from the caliper without drama or hesitation.  The new hose went in and I felt good.  Total time, ten minutes.   The first thing that just went according to plan on this car so far!<br><br>Then I moved to the drivers side.   I won&#8217;t give a time estimate on how long the driver&#8217;s side took.   Note: It&#8217;s never a good sign when you have to break out the vice-grips when working on brake lines.<br></p>



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<p>And then it gets worse.</p>



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<p>Sigh &#8212; it was too good to last.  At least we were experts in bending new hard lines at this point.  So a trip back to the store, some cutting, flaring and bending, and there is now a new hard line running from the ABS pump to the new hose for the front left wheel.  I should note, that this was like a 12 inch line, the pump is just on the other side of the wheel wheel in the engine bay.  I thank my lucky stars, that this didn&#8217;t happy on the passenger side &#8212; I think 1/2 the engine bay would have had to come apart to route the new line.</p>



<p>It was also during this hardline replacement that I became intimately familiar with the difference between a double and a bubble flare on the ends of your tubing.   I won&#8217;t go into detail here, but you can find some nice pictures and an explanation here: <a href="https://www.rtsauto.com/brake-lines-for-bmws-and-e30s-the-bubble-flare-not-the-double-flare/ ">https://www.rtsauto.com/brake-lines-for-bmws-and-e30s-the-bubble-flare-not-the-double-flare/ </a> The Important part of this story, is that if you attempt to put a double flared bit of of tubing (as I had just created), into a fitting that wants for a bubble flare (as does the ABS pump), it&#8217;ll never seal and will just squirt fluid everywhere, no matter how hard you tighten the nut.  Thankfully, I didn&#8217;t just keep cranking on it and figured there must be something wrong, at which point I inspected the end of the old line and had my moment of&#8230;.Oh, these ends look different.  Lesson learned.  </p>



<p>With that out of the way, I bled the system out, got a nice firm pedal and felt accomplished for the day.<br><br><em>Note: The following is little out of order from how it happened, but is presented here to keep the brake saga all in one place.   The Power Steering Pump Saga took place between the above and the following.</em><br><br>One thing that was extra fun, in moving the car around the driveway before the brake system held pressure, is that that parking brake was also non functional!   This was due to bad parking brake cables.   The weather proofing in the cables in the car had become compromised some years before.  The left side was marginal, the right size was pretty well seized up.  By some miracle, I was actually able to find brake new parking brake cables from a specialty parts house.  </p>



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<p>Now, the hardest part of this job, ended up being the fact that the parking brake adjuster is seized up and I couldn&#8217;t break it free.   I didn&#8217;t want to crank on it too hard for fear of snapping it and being in worse shape.   Unfortunately, I didn&#8217;t think to grab a picture of what&#8217;s involved here, but this image from the parts book helps illustrate:</p>



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<p>That big wing nut looking thing, is attached to the rod on the backside of the handbrake.  The cables <em>simply</em> slip over the hooks.  Removal should be a trivial matter of unbolting the bracket (oops, can&#8217;t seized, remember?), and sliding the old cable off&#8230;which as it turns out, couldn&#8217;t really happen either as the bracket itself had swollen with corrosion over the years.     However, with enough cursing, grunting and struggling, I eventually persevered and got the old cables off the ears.  Removal of the cables from the calipers went smoothly enough.  Great, lets put the new cables on.<br><br>And here dear reader, is where I almost lost my mind.  It turns out that the windows in the ends of the cables, which slide over the ears of the bracket were ever so slightly smaller on the new cables.   Maybe if everything were in spec, this would have been fine, but if you recall from above, I had a devil of a time getting the old cables off, due to everything being chunky.   So, I got out the file and started cleaning up the ear bracket.    Did I mention, it&#8217;s still in the car, between the driveshaft and the underside of the tunnel?   <br><br>For the next hour or so, my life consistent of: file file file, hand cramp, try to fit cable.   Rinse and repeat.  I eventually got the driver&#8217;s side cable to slide on.   Looking at the cable for the passenger side, I gave up.  The window was even SMALLER and that side of the bracket was even more swollen with corrosion.   So I did what I should have done in the first place.  I broke out the dremel, and opened up the window in the cable.   It took me 45 seconds.  Sigh.  </p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 May 2023 20:29:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I figured the work on the brake system should be fairly straight forward. A few hard lines to replace, rubber hoses at each corner and voila, we should have a stopping car. Sadly, this adventure in braking ended up not being nearly so smooth. I started in the right rear, a good place to start [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<p>I figured the work on the brake system should be fairly straight forward.  A few hard lines to replace, rubber hoses at each corner and voila, we should have a stopping car.  Sadly, this adventure in braking ended up not being nearly so smooth.  <br><br>I started in the right rear, a good place to start as it&#8217;s the furthest from the master cylinder and also the corner that was completely missing a brake line.  Disassembly was relatively straight forward, I decided to replace everything rear of the junction block forward of the rear left wheel as it was all rather crusty.   I ran to the local auto parts store and attempted to purchase some new hard lines as well as the rubber brake hoses for the car.   It was at this point a couple facts about this car really hit home.<br>1) They didn&#8217;t make a ton of these &#8212; Which means there&#8217;s not a lot of part houses making parts for them.<br>2) It&#8217;s a 35 year old car, which compounds the first problem.  This actually used to matter less.   Back in the 90&#8217;s when I worked in a parts store, we literally could get damn near anything for any car next day, maybe 2.  There was a large network of independent distributors which carried parts from a endless list of aftermarket parts companies.<br><br>It turns out that the aftermarket parts industry has changed DRAMATICALLY in the last 20 years.  We&#8217;ve gone from a vast network of independent/semi-independent parts suppliers to big consolidated monoliths such as the O&#8217;Reilys and AutoZones of the world.  These guys own the retail outlets and the intermediate warehouses and if it&#8217;s not in the catalog, you can&#8217;t get it.<br><br>Thankfully, places like RockAuto.com and a multitude of specialty parts houses still exist out there; however; that meant I was waiting a week plus for my &#8220;I don&#8217;t even have a listing on those!&#8221;  brake hoses.<br><br>In the interim, we got some hard lines and double flare tool, and Lisa crafted some beautiful new lines to match the old ones..or a best guess of what was left of them. <br><br>You might think that&#8217;s all there is to this tale &#8212; but you&#8217;d be wrong.  Before I got too far into it, I decided to see if I could crack the bleeders loose on the rear calipers for when the system went back together.   Of course, they wouldn&#8217;t budge.  After hours of soaking, heating and hammering at them, the inevitable happened, and I snapped the end of the bleeder off in the caliper. </p>



<p>I dutifully went back to my local parts houses and inquired. Much like with the hoses, some didn&#8217;t have a listing, others told me $150 each, we can get them in two weeks, with $15 shipping. This simply wouldn&#8217;t do.</p>



<p>So I did what any person who&#8217;s frustrated at delays and wants to save a couple hundred bucks does &#8212; I bought a new set of bleeders for $5 and made a plan involving drill bit and thread taps.</p>



<p>As it turns out, carefully drilling out the old bleeders, stepping up the bit size until just the barest bit of metal remained in the old threads and subsequently chasing the threads with a tap, was quicker and easier than the hours I&#8217;d spent soaking, heating and hammering the old bleeders trying to get them out. Something to keep in mind for the future.</p>



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<p>Drilled:</p>



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<p>Tapping:</p>



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<p><br>New bleeders installed:</p>



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<p><br>Eventually the rear hoses came in and I laid everything out, ready to go back in, old stuff above, new below.  From left to right in the image below we have, left rear caliper, brake hose, line to the junction block, then the other line from the junction block into questionably named Retardation Sensitive Brake Pressure Regulator (The rusty cylinder there, more on this in a moment), the missing line, right hose, right rear caliper.   Please note Lisa&#8217;s beautiful craftsman ship on the new lines on the bottom&#8230;they&#8217;re were straight as arrow when she started!</p>



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<p>The purpose of this Brake Pressure Regulator is well covered in this instructional video: </p>



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<p>If you can&#8217;t be bothered to watch the totally 80s-tastic video,  basically, there&#8217;s check valve in there, under hard cornering, a little ball blocks the flow of brake fluid, there by reducing pressure the caliper and preventing inner wheel lockup during hard cornering and braking as you might encounter in an emergency move.    <br><br>This device is especially critical in a car such as this with it&#8217;s completely ridiculous 62/38  Front/rear weight distribution. This is of course to do the giant cast iron inline 5 cylinder engine hanging out completely forward of the front axle (here&#8217;s an opportunity to give your children an object lesson in leverage) &#8212; a mechanical design language for Audi that continues into the modern era.   <br><br>But I digress.  Everything went back together easily enough and there was only a minor mishap when bleeding the system out &#8212; The LR hose wasn&#8217;t quite tight enough &#8212; I put the pressure bleeder on the reservoir&#8230;and wondered why I wasn&#8217;t getting much out the bleeder on the right rear&#8230;until I looked across and saw the steady stream of brake fluid pouring from the other side of the car&#8230;oh well.   <br><br>Unfortunately, it was at this time I also noted that one of the e-brake cables was seized up.  But that&#8217;s for next time along with swapping out the front brake hoses.</p>



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